Curse

Smurf Minions · Aug 20, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Targren

Just a point... people playing Sabway AREN'T using monk heroes...

A healing ritualist is quite a monk in my eyes.

zelgadissan · Aug 20, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

I prefer WoH to LoD on mhenlo. Even if hero AI isn't always the best, I'd rather have a spammable skill that could save someone in the party than have a skill that could give everyone a little healing.

This is exactly what I was about to say. I agree that maybe WoH and ZB don't really mesh and shouldn't be the two henchie elites, but I'd rather see Lina get changed to something else than Mhenlo lose WoH.

/notsigned

-Lotus- · Aug 20, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57

[WoH] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Light of deliverance]

Tyla · Aug 20, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by bhavv

LoD = 5e for 70x 8 healing = 560 heal

WoH = 5e for 130 healing, +100 if the condition is met, which henchmen AI is poor at meeting.

Your entire party wouldn't need to be healed the time and WoH is a chunky heal, with or without the conditional. If people were using it for the conditional 100% of the time we'd all be running ZB.

Martin Firestorm · Aug 20, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

Gotta say, I really prefer WoH on the hench monks (at least one of them anyway) in all chapters. LoD is good when its good, but since you can't change a hench bar I'd rather they have WoH, which I consider much more versatile and more capably used by henches.

Hyper Cutter · Aug 20, 2008, 08:26 PM // 20:26

In my experience, the AI sucked at using LoD anyway, so it was no great loss...

Abedeus · Aug 20, 2008, 08:26 PM // 20:26

I take LoD only when I EXPECT to be hit by AoE damage every 6-10 seconds, for example in fight vs Great Destroyer or some Elementalist mobs (djinns and so on).

Other than that, WoH all the way. On N/Mo, monk heroes suck.

Age · Aug 20, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Uhm.

WoH is better than LOD. Even LOD (PvE).

Um...

yeah....

I don't have much else to say except /notsigned because LOD is still godawful. A half way decent monk with WoH can keep up with the degeneration, and if you're using ZB with WoH then that is your fault. There are other good elites. Like [Restore Condition].

This Mhenlo we are talking about best to have him flagged back a bit so he doesn't go up and throw it on others.That is real Monk with WoH.

Zahr Dalsk · Aug 20, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

A half way decent monk with WoH can keep up with the degeneration, and if you're using ZB with WoH then that is your fault.

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

A half way decent monk with WoH can keep up with the degeneration

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

half way decent monk

Mhenlo.

Henchman.

NO.

Tearz1993 · Aug 21, 2008, 12:36 AM // 00:36

OT, WoH is better than LoD for reasons stated earlier on.

bhavv · Aug 21, 2008, 09:25 AM // 09:25

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

If they have such brilliant skill bars, why do you want to change Mhenlo's?

I mentioned my 2 Legendary titles to show I have done Hard Mode stuff with hero+hench. I also noted that titles mean little. However, if you want more proof from me, I also have all 4 reputation titles from Eye of the North, and Legendary Master of the North maxed out. I completed all dungeons with hero+hench except HoS, Slaver's, and Frostmaw (although I could have done that one if I had chosen to).

I don't see you arguing why this should be implemented. I see you arguing that you know better than everyone else, and your idea should be implemented because you are smarter than us.

As I said, hench should have decent skill bars, not good ones. Unless they are BAD skill bars, there is no need to change them. There are only a couple of hench I feel have bad skill bars, but that is my opinion, and I know others don't agree with me.

You can be as experienced at the game as you like, but if you think having both WoH and ZB is ok, then you arent as good at understanding monks as you think. Mhenlo had LOD originally, and I definately found it a lot more helpful. If you need a big heal on a single target, you still have Linas ZB for that purpose.

I am pretty sure that LOD has a 6s recharge now. If WoH is so much better, then I really wonder why everyone used to use LOD in PVP before it got nerfed due to this. If you have your big single target heal from ZB, there is no need for WoH to be used and vice versa.

Most people dont understand Hero and Hench AI and just seem to think that they are exactly the same as human monks. However you look at it, using both ZB and WoH is bad. Using LOD and ZB would be far more beneficial then changing the prot elite to something else.

I really dont understand why you feel the need to brag about your titles in this thread, or why most people are talking about human monks and unyielding aura. It doesnt affect the topic of henchmen skillbars.

Most high end H/Hers that I know have always told me to use hench monks and concentrate my heroes on damage. Also if you need an extra hero healer, an N/Rt does a far better job then monk heroes in PVE. I gave up on monk heroes a long time ago because using heroes for damage is far better then using the henchmen warriors for example.

isamu kurosawa · Aug 21, 2008, 09:42 AM // 09:42

I'd say he is better off with WoH than the current LoD.

LoD was better off with the higher heal and 80% condition.

bhavv · Aug 21, 2008, 10:16 AM // 10:16

Well, TBH, he would be better off with Healing Burst then the others, but I doubt anyone would like that.

Lhim · Aug 21, 2008, 01:40 PM // 13:40

I don't find LoD useful in too many situations to have it replace WoH on Mehnlo's bar. WoH is often more convenient. (Even if WoH doesn't synergize smoothly with ZB. But then again I'm used to henchmen being not that great)

/notsigned

Hugh Manatee · Aug 21, 2008, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Make mhenlo Mo/E, give him [Healers Boon], [Glyph of Lesser Energy] [Heal Party] and [Orison of Healing]....

Pleikki · Aug 21, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

Na if Mhenlo would be Mo/e he would run [mending][flare][Fire storm][Meteor][Protective spirit][Shielding hand's]

-Lotus- · Aug 21, 2008, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by Hugh Manatee

Make mhenlo Mo/E, give him [Healers Boon], [Glyph of Lesser Energy] [Heal Party] and [Orison of Healing]....

please god no. i hope you were kidding...

Crimso · Aug 21, 2008, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by Pleikki

Na if Mhenlo would be Mo/e he would run [mending][flare][Fire storm][Meteor][Protective spirit][Shielding hand's]

Mhenlo's and Cynn's Mo/E child I'd say.

MagmaRed · Aug 21, 2008, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Most people dont understand Hero and Hench AI and just seem to think that they are exactly the same as human monks. However you look at it, using both ZB and WoH is bad. Using LOD and ZB would be far more beneficial then changing the prot elite to something else.

Which is why there are heroes and humans. I only take 1 Monk hench, and a hero Monk when playing by myself. When I play my Monk, I usually take a Monk hero. The damage output from my remaining 2 heroes and the hench do fine for me, even in HM.

As I said before, hench skill bars are not meant to be as good as a players. A hero has limited AI, but the skill bar can be just as good as a humans. This is a multiplayer game, not a single player game. If it was intended to be single player, then I would not only support this, but demand all hench get an overhaul with not only skills but AI.

Taking the 2 hench Monks will work. It may not work as well as you want, but that is the reason you have other people to play with, or at least heroes to use. If WoH and ZB don't fit your style, nobody is saying you have to use them.